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A A A10:37 am
March 8, 2010
OfflineAnder, sounds like a good time and there should be some big fish coming to the scales!
Your rule stating a team may weigh 3 fish but only the largest bass will be counted doesn't make much sense to me. What if a team had two fish weighing 10.5 and 10 lbs and another team weighed in a 9 lber; you guys would pay 2nd place to the 9 lber?
2:49 pm
March 8, 2010
OfflineAndy, that is correct. We had to look at it both ways and decide which ruling was going to get a bigger turnout. I feel like doing it this way will make more people feel like they've got a chance at walking away with some money. I know that's how I feel. Let's be honest. There are only a few guys around here who have a decent shot at coming in with two or three giant fish, and everyone knows it and even knows who they are. If everyone else felt like those guys could walk away with multiple checks, I think that would deter a lot of people from coming. I figure we need to have people feel like they've got as good of a chance as possible to walk away with money. Doing it this way, those few guys who are capable of weighing in multiple giants, I think are still going to come regardless if they can count one fish or two and others will show up as well.
The reason we are allowing multiple fish to be weighed at all is because of the very reason you stated. What if someone has got two 10.5 lbers? Personally, I wouldn't want to take the risk of culling one of those using my hand held scale. I would want to make sure I got an official weight on both of them to find out which is actually bigger in order to make sure the bigger one is the one being counted.
6:41 pm
January 20, 2009
OfflineStrictly Biznuss said:
" There are only a few guys around here who have a decent shot at coming in with two or three giant fish, and everyone knows it and even knows who they are. If everyone else felt like those guys could walk away with multiple checks, I think that would deter a lot of people from coming."
Dont really understand this?? These same people you speak of probably do well in other tournaments and it doesnt deter anyone. If you never play against someone better than you, your just hurting yourself…IMO.
To each their own!
1:33 pm
March 8, 2010
OfflineLandon…
"If you never play against someone better than you, your just hurting yourself…IMO." Believe me, I agree with that statement 100%. I am not one to shy away from a tournament just because certain guys are fishing in it. However, we seem to be more in the minority. The bottom line is, it does in fact deter people. The proof is in the numbers. Just take a look at the Wednesday Nighter attendance stats from last year. When the Waldrops and Brad Casebier (sp?) started whooping up on everyone a few weeks in a row, the attendance dropped by nearly 50% as I recall. I don't think even the TTZ guys can deny that that definitely seemed to impact the attendance. The season started with nearly 30 boats showing for the first several tourneys, and then it dropped to like 10. It was ridiculous. And then when the Waldrops didn't show up for two weeks in a row, all of the sudden the next week, the attendance jumped up by like 10 boats. Unfortunately, it is what it is. Especially in this economy, it seems like people want to feel like they've got the best odds possible.
Turnout for the Wed Nighters has always been a seasonal pattern, we typically draw a larger field in the beginning but when summer and fall roll around there are other factors that deter participation (kids out of school, increased recreational traffic, hunting season, kids back in school, etc). It's been trending that way since 2007 when we strated hosting the Wed Nighter.
I will admit repeated wins by a team or individual may cause a few boats not to show, but to say the Waldrops or Brad single handedly dropped our attendance is a bit of a stretch.
I applaud you guys for trying something new and out of the box, but handicapping a tournament around certain anglers just doesn't sound very appealing…gives it kind of a "Special Olympics" type feel. On the flipside, this approach might draw some less tenured anglers and introduce them to competitive fishing.
Good luck with the tournament and hope y'all have a big turnout!
5:33 pm
January 5, 2009
Offline1:44 am
March 8, 2010
OfflineAndy Nuyen said:
I will admit repeated wins by a team or individual may cause a few boats not to show, but to say the Waldrops or Brad single handedly dropped our attendance is a bit of a stretch.
I applaud you guys for trying something new and out of the box, but handicapping a tournament around certain anglers just doesn't sound very appealing…gives it kind of a "Special Olympics" type feel. On the flipside, this approach might draw some less tenured anglers and introduce them to competitive fishing.
Good luck with the tournament and hope y'all have a big turnout!
Ha, thanks Andy. I guess? :-/ I had no idea anyone would have a problem with only counting one fish, and I had no idea that this would be so confusing for people. That's our fault obviously. So far I haven't had anyone specifically say they won't fish it because they can't count more than one fish, but maybe guys are keeping their mouths shut? It made sense to us to do it this way, but a few others don't feel that way it looks like. I guess in situations like these it's impossible to please everyone and you've just got to go with the majority. Like I said, unless guys are keeping their mouths shut, I'm hoping we went with the majority. A secondary reason for this rule was the fact that there will be some club members fishing in the tournament. We didn't want anyone looking at us funny and feeling like it was a set-up when Michael and Jr. came to the scales with four 10lbers and took 4 places. :-) I guess we were looking into things a little too much though.
And also, I apologize, I never intended to say that Brad or the Waldrops single-handedly dropped the Wed nighter attendance, as I do realize there are definitely other factors involved. My bad because that is indeed how it reads. However, I think it's more than "just a few boats" that decide to not show because of it. All of us can only speculate on this topic though.
JR: You are correct. One team = One fish. The only reason we are allowing multiple fish to even be weighed is if you have multiple fish in the same size range (ex. two 8lbers). If you catch an 8, 4, and 3, there's no need to even bother weighing the 4 and 3lbers. The only reason that we even mentioned this in the rules in the first place was because we didn't want guys to feel like they couldn't bring two big fish to the scales in order to find out which was bigger. We didn't want guys to be stressing out deciding which one to cull on the water. Just bring them to the scales and we'll tell you which one is bigger.
12:06 pm
March 8, 2010
OfflineSorry Dale. Didn't realize that, but sure enough there it is in bold type at the top of the page :-) . Most of the guys here know who I am I think. Do I need to create a new account with my real name or can I just change my user name somehow?
P.S. I hope I haven't irritated anyone with any of my explanations of the rules. I really was sincerely trying to apologize for the confusion because the wording of the rule was apparently confusing to a number of people. It's obviously one of those things where the wording made sense in our heads and no one else's apparently. LoL :-) If we ever do a similar big bass tournament again we'll definitely make it more clear the next time around.
12:14 pm
March 8, 2010
Offline3:17 pm
March 25, 2010
OfflineAnder, we're just a bunch of overly competitive pricks over here so don't take anything personal. I figured the three fish rule was to cover a couple of courtesy checks but have been asked by several people about the reasoning for the one fish per team.
It would be a tough to see a smaller fish win a place if your team had multiple big fish, and the way Austin is fishing right now that could happen to anyone over the course of an entire day. Almost everyone knows where the bigger fish are staging and you just have to be in the right place at the right time when they move in. Believe me, we know you can't please everyone when it comes to organzing a large event and defining the rules…welcome to the wonderful world of tournament directing!
4:06 pm
March 8, 2010
OfflineAndy Nuyen said:
Believe me, we know you can't please everyone when it comes to organzing a large event and defining the rules…welcome to the wonderful world of tournament directing!
Yeah, and I don't like it. That's what I get for trying to "step up and help out" like everyone keeps asking me to. I think I'll leave the officiating and decision making to others from now on, so I can just focus on catching fish. :-)
2:47 pm
September 21, 2009
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James caught the fish around 7:45 and it was a long day after that !! We pulled up to a retaining wall with deep water and that fish was feeding trying to eat a 8" bass cleared the water trying to get away and James threw his swimbait over and 2 cranks and fish was on !! what a memory to have been able to net his personal best !! Also congrats to Dan Taylor for 3rd place big bass !!
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